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EvilDeathBee says...

What I mean is that sometimes we can subconsciously judge a movie based on factors that don't have anything to do with the movie itself, such director's or writer's previous work, previous films in the series or the original source for an adaptation.
For instance, I just watched World War Z for the first time and while not a brilliant movie, found it a unique and entertaining zombie film despite it being a bad adaptation of a well regarded novel.

I was just wondering if perhaps you perhaps didn't get as much out of it because of that. I guess not, doesn't matter though.

I also didn't intend to compare Capnmurca to GBH, rather I meant that seeing GBH first didn't put me in the right state of mind to see and fully appreciate a comic action flick, which is why I (still) need to see it again.

ChaosEngine said:

GBH was certainly better than "not bad", but everyone I'd read/talked to spoke about it like it was the second coming. It's certainly the most "Wes Anderson" movie WA has done. I get it... you like symmetry! And why can't I compare it to his other movies? That seems kinda arbitrary since you're comparing Capn Murica to GBH.

And absolutely, Winter Soldier wasn't as good as Avengers or (Guardians for that matter).

But then, I still think my favourite movie of the year was the Lego movie

lucky760 says...

Oh, I missed that! Sorry! : )

But now I understand what you mean about your insane people; I've seen Once Were Warriors.

I think that's a key difference: Cops in some parts of America have to deal with systematic violence (not to mention police hatred) on a much more frequent basis.

Yes, the Australian ban and resulting lack of gun massacres is what I was referring to.

And I wasn't providing an excuse, just explaining why it's a fact that it will never change. Gun ownership is ingrained in the fabric of our society.

Saying "things change" is nice and all (and goes great with a verse of Kumbaya), but when a third of the people want to have guns (and they come from a long line of gun owners) and they have #2 in the list of the country's core principles backing them up, a few (or even many, or even nations worth) of people declaring, "You're better off without guns," is meaningless. (It's like telling a fart it'd be better off not stinking.)

Not an opinion, nor an excuse, just a description of reality.

ChaosEngine said:

Australia? AUSTRALIA??!? Them's fightin' words!

I'm in New Zealand (which I'm pretty sure I mentioned at least once in this thread).

And no, NZ police have had to deal with insane people the same as the US, although not on the same scale or frequency.

As for the gun issue, Australia did something about it, and there have been 0 gun massacres since.

The inextricable bedrock excuse is getting old. It's been over 200 years! Things change (slavery, for example).

lucky760 says...

My final thought: One mitigating factor with this specific happenstance in lieu of your general point is that this guy very obviously wanted to die and wanted those cops to kill him. He was apparently doing whatever he had to to get the cops to kill him.

Bottom line we can all agree on: it sucks.

ChaosEngine said:

My point is that, yes, it's a tough situation, but maybe screaming at someone while pointing a gun at them is not the way to diffuse it.

Reality is not black and white. It's complicated.

Maybe if they'd gotten out of the car and said "what seems to be the problem here?" the whole thing might have gone down differently. Instead they went in gung ho and 20 seconds later, the guy is dead.

But you're right, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Will be interesting to see what the inquest says.

lucky760 says...

Side note: I've just realized you're in Australia, and a very salient point worth mentioning is that you're probably thinking about how awful and "uncivilized" we are in America because you're comparing our police to yours, considering how much better your cops would be in a situation like this and how a fellow Australian criminal wouldn't deserve what these cops did.

It's possible you're just comparing our blood-thirsty cops to your more sensible, contemplative cops, but that you're forgetting to compare our blood-thirsty, cold-blooded, murderous cop-killer criminals with your more sensible, reasonable criminals. The cops here do things Australian cops might not do, but it may be because your cops don't have to.

Yes, it might help as it has in places like Australia for us to outlaw guns, however that won't ever happen because it's part of the inextricable bedrock used to found this great nation, so we have to do the best we can with what we have.

lucky760 says...

The problem is you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

On the one hand you're saying you know how dangerous a guy with a knife is. That being the case, you know that as close as he was to one of the officers, he could have murdered the officer if the officer attempted anything other than to completely stop him (by killing him).

And on the other hand you're saying the officer should consider the guy's mental well-being. Okay, and do what about it, try to talk him into seeking counseling?

There is no such thing as "containing the situation" when "the situation" is a guy standing a very close distance to you with a knife and approaching. There's no talking to him, no tasing him, no tossing a net over him... there's nothing that will guarantee he won't stab you except shooting him.

Still on a third hand you're staying it's part of an officer's job to risk his life to deal with the threat instead of neutralizing it, but that you feel officers shouldn't gamble with their lives. Those two concepts are completely contradictory.

It's quite a thing to realize he's dead within 20 seconds of the police arriving, but everything about that has zero bearing on his killing. When a guy is approaching an officer with a knife within seconds of their arrival, he's not going to call out to the guy and bystanders to ask them if the guy was showing aggression to anyone else because why in the fuck would that matter. He's directly showing aggressive intent towards the officers themselves for goodness' sake! Nothing that happened before that matters.

If as a cop your life is in imminent danger, the guy's mental state, what he did before you arrived, what alternatives to a gun *might* stop him or "contain" him... NONE of that matters because THERE IS A GUY COMING TOWARDS YOU WITH A KNIFE. That's all the cops were thinking and that's all they needed to be thinking when they decided they had to to shoot him to have as close to a 100% chance of survival as possible.

To summarize: Guy approaches you menacingly with a knife, you. must. shoot. him, if you want to attempt to guarantee you're not going to die.

BUT

we can agree to disagree.

ChaosEngine said:

Just for the record I am well aware of how dangerous a knife can be. And no, I don't feel that police officers should "gamble with their lives".

I feel they should use the training they're supposed to have and the tools they do have instead of just shooting the guy.

Watch the video again. The police don't arrive until 1:20. Before that the guy is just standing around. People pass within feet of him and he doesn't show any aggression. He's dead 20 seconds later. 20 fucking seconds.

He was clearly mentally unwell, but they didn't even try to contain the situation.

If you really think that's acceptable.... well, once again, I'm just glad I live in a civilised country.

ChaosEngine says...

Hoping to do a few splitboarding trips into the backcountry and will probably experiment with some Aikido related videos, but I don't know how successful the results will be

lucky760 said:

Valid point. I wasn't sure whether or not the issue was with my grammar. I'll rename it.

A business associate just bought one and flew it around for me, which is why I was so interested when that video creator emailed us his video. It's not that easy to know how to control those things to make killer professional-looking videos.

In theory it seems cool, but not that incredible, however in person and the output is really awe-inspiring.

If you start recording some stuff, share some video. I'd love to see what you create.

lucky760 says...

Valid point. I wasn't sure whether or not the issue was with my grammar. I'll rename it.

A business associate just bought one and flew it around for me, which is why I was so interested when that video creator emailed us his video. It's not that easy to know how to control those things to make killer professional-looking videos.

In theory it seems cool, but not that incredible, however in person and the output is really awe-inspiring.

If you start recording some stuff, share some video. I'd love to see what you create.

ChaosEngine said:

I get what you're saying, I just think the title reads as "homemade-drone video" whereas you obviously meant it as "amateur drone-video".

I just got a GoPro myself and I cannot tell you how tempted I am to buy one of these Apparently you can even get them to follow you down a track or mountain. Awesome bit of kit

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