It seems like you guys are arguing somewhat different things here, which may be why this exchange has turned a bit sour.
Reading Blankfist's posts, it appears he's arguing that in this specific case the restaurant was in the right. Seeing as how the extra charge was clearly made known to these customers well before they ordered their meal, I'm 100% in agreement that they're liable to pay their bill, regardless of the service they received. However, what Gwiz seemed to be arguing is the theoretical scenario in which a restaurant adds a charge without telling the customer beforehand, effectively tricking the customer into a situation where they have to pay more than was advertised and therefore not giving the customer the chance to take their business elsewhere. If I got that right I'm in 100% agreement with Gwiz aswell.
The key word here is communication. A restaurant has the right to add whatever charge it likes, aswell as raise their prices as much as they like. I've no problem with paying an extra 18%, so long as the restaurant has made it clear that this is their practice. This can be done with a note in their menu, a few words from a staff member or whatever. Knowing that there is an extra 18% charge on top of the total price gives the customer the opportunity to decide whether or not to eat there. But getting a table, ordering the food, eating it and getting the bill before finding out this extra expenditure is not acceptable business practice in my opinion.
>> ^TangledThorns: Obama better wise up as his actual approval polls are hitting below 50% while Sarah Palin's are rising. The way this fool is running the country into the ground I expect a President Sarah Palin to save us from his huge mistakes.
Aaahahahahaa.
Oh wait, you were serious? Let me laugh even harder.
Sorry, I do like the easter eggs that Pixar put into movies, but these were pretty poorly done.
This MAY have been funny if they slowly ramped up how obvious and ridiculous the 'easter eggs' were, but as it stands, it's just pretty crap
Removed from the Lies channel. Have you done the work to know that some of the easter eggs at the end are phony? Just because you think it's obvious doesn't make it so. Maybe the easter eggs at end are fake, but it's still too soon to conclusively prove that.
I agree with marinara, it's a shame that there was dupeof in this instance. It's impossible to reinstante the votes as they were now, but at least the other one could be unkilled and go by its own merits. Alternatively, you can post it again, marinara.
Just calling out your bullshit editorializing, chuggo. Your opinion is no more valid than his, yet you act as though you somehow are more in touch with what's REALLY going on in the world than the rest of us. "Linear thinking," I believe you call it. Same old same old, chugs. Nothing new under the sun, especially from you.
Deep-seated frustration and unresolved rage? Project much?
When you order food are you not agreeing on the price for services and goods (without signing a contract)? And it should clearly marked on the menu (and sometimes by the hostess station or on the wall) 'for parties of x or more a y percent gratuity is added'.
Therefore The gratuity is agreed upon before you order. The princes and princesses in this video most likely were well aware of this but made up their mind to protest because their napkins weren't on the table when their food arrives. That's not bad service. That's a simple oversight that would've been easily rectified if given the opportunity instead of them showing their butts.
I don't personally agree with mandatory gratuity, but it exists, and if I agree to eat at the restaurant with a large party, I have to pay for it. Or I could move to a "make better society".
I make it a point to avoid fiction but the plot sounds pretty interesting...I wish they would have made it a movie or tv series... but I guess I'll have to read it.
the video game series, Halo, is loosely based on this novel and the campaign plot is quite compelling and rich
Ne need to apologize. Just a little mistake. No one got an eye put out.
In reply to this comment by reiwan: Sorry on the discuss tag fail on that one vid. I didnt see anything in the FAQ about that invocation, so I figured thats what it was for. On a side note, now that I do know wha its for, I invoked a discuss on a dupe since I dont have that priv yet. weee!
In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon: Sorry, but this isn't what the * discuss invocation is for. It should only be used if the video in question might be a dupe, a self-link, or in violation of Sift guidelines; not to to hold a roundtable discussion of a videos merits and/or weaknesses.
I make it a point to avoid fiction but the plot sounds pretty interesting...I wish they would have made it a movie or tv series... but I guess I'll have to read it.
the Halo video game series is loosely based on this novel
There's no way voting republicans will select her as the candidate against Obama. She'll be out of the race by the time she announces she's in. She's a figurehead for the moment, but everybody knows she brought down the McCain campaign, and you'll see republicans start to come up with odd reasons to vote against her. They will never mention her lack of intellect or political knowledge, it will be strange things. Then she will bow out, saying that she needs to focus on her family and her "other projects".
Hopefully at that time she will disappear forever.
Brothers- Trailer
France cheats its way into World Cup
Sarah Palin Fans: Not That Bright
UsesProzac
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Reading Blankfist's posts, it appears he's arguing that in this specific case the restaurant was in the right. Seeing as how the extra charge was clearly made known to these customers well before they ordered their meal, I'm 100% in agreement that they're liable to pay their bill, regardless of the service they received.
However, what Gwiz seemed to be arguing is the theoretical scenario in which a restaurant adds a charge without telling the customer beforehand, effectively tricking the customer into a situation where they have to pay more than was advertised and therefore not giving the customer the chance to take their business elsewhere. If I got that right I'm in 100% agreement with Gwiz aswell.
The key word here is communication. A restaurant has the right to add whatever charge it likes, aswell as raise their prices as much as they like. I've no problem with paying an extra 18%, so long as the restaurant has made it clear that this is their practice. This can be done with a note in their menu, a few words from a staff member or whatever. Knowing that there is an extra 18% charge on top of the total price gives the customer the opportunity to decide whether or not to eat there. But getting a table, ordering the food, eating it and getting the bill before finding out this extra expenditure is not acceptable business practice in my opinion.
Obama on Palin's Rating of his Presidency
Obama better wise up as his actual approval polls are hitting below 50% while Sarah Palin's are rising. The way this fool is running the country into the ground I expect a President Sarah Palin to save us from his huge mistakes.
Aaahahahahaa.
Oh wait, you were serious? Let me laugh even harder.
AAAHH HA HAHAHAHA!!
Gameheadz: A Video Game History TV Documentary
Sarah Palin Fans: Not That Bright
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I challenge the sift to post a video that shows Sarah Palin in a positive light.
Why should we? No one would vote for it.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Pixar's Hidden Secrets - Easter eggs in their films
lies, and pretty lame ones at that.
Sorry, I do like the easter eggs that Pixar put into movies, but these were pretty poorly done.
This MAY have been funny if they slowly ramped up how obvious and ridiculous the 'easter eggs' were, but as it stands, it's just pretty crap
Removed from the Lies channel. Have you done the work to know that some of the easter eggs at the end are phony? Just because you think it's obvious doesn't make it so. Maybe the easter eggs at end are fake, but it's still too soon to conclusively prove that.
CCTV: King County sheriff's deputy assaulting 15 yr old girl
TYT: Sarah Palin is still stupid
Deep-seated frustration and unresolved rage? Project much?
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
When you order food are you not agreeing on the price for services and goods (without signing a contract)? And it should clearly marked on the menu (and sometimes by the hostess station or on the wall) 'for parties of x or more a y percent gratuity is added'.
Therefore The gratuity is agreed upon before you order. The princes and princesses in this video most likely were well aware of this but made up their mind to protest because their napkins weren't on the table when their food arrives. That's not bad service. That's a simple oversight that would've been easily rectified if given the opportunity instead of them showing their butts.
I don't personally agree with mandatory gratuity, but it exists, and if I agree to eat at the restaurant with a large party, I have to pay for it. Or I could move to a "make better society".
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^Mandtis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld
I make it a point to avoid fiction but the plot sounds pretty interesting...I wish they would have made it a movie or tv series... but I guess I'll have to read it.
the video game series, Halo, is loosely based on this novel and the campaign plot is quite compelling and rich
reiwan
In reply to this comment by reiwan:
Sorry on the discuss tag fail on that one vid. I didnt see anything in the FAQ about that invocation, so I figured thats what it was for. On a side note, now that I do know wha its for, I invoked a discuss on a dupe since I dont have that priv yet. weee!
In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Sorry, but this isn't what the * discuss invocation is for. It should only be used if the video in question might be a dupe, a self-link, or in violation of Sift guidelines; not to to hold a roundtable discussion of a videos merits and/or weaknesses.
*return
What if Earth had rings like Saturn?
^Mandtis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld
I make it a point to avoid fiction but the plot sounds pretty interesting...I wish they would have made it a movie or tv series... but I guess I'll have to read it.
the Halo video game series is loosely based on this novel
Woodpecker Versus Snake
Mister Methane performs Swan Lake and blows out candles.
Olbermann Goes After Sarah Palin's Lies
Hopefully at that time she will disappear forever.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip